BOOKER: …there was quite a deal, that is in other words, with the going into Russian Meadow.  Frank Shell always had a bunch of horses around and being the bagodosha that he was he was going to get premium pay, that is in other words, for leading the contingent, that is in other words, the wagons—covered wagons—that was into the Russian Meadows.  Of course they went up, that is in other words, to the old South Fork Road.  His team confronted, that is in other words, up to about eight inches of snow down as far as the South Fork Ridge; but they played out there.  And Henry Beck, being the party that he was, my dad never went on the picture himself, but my dad made sure, that is in other words, that he had plenty of hay and rolled barley, that is in other words, for the other animals.  And they attempted to use another team to break the road that is in from South Fort into Russian Meadows on the north side of Lyons damn.   And the next team, they played out in the first quarter of a mile that they were using, and finally, this Henry Beck, he says, “my teams is in good shape,” he says “I’ll break your road.”  But he says, “You’re going to pay premium, that is in other words, for doing it.” So as they went on in, the team broke the road as by contract.  I think it’s about as near as I can recall, that is in other words, it is about five miles from the South Port Bridge into Russian Meadows.  Well, the team broke their road as per contract, and they were the first team that went in and they broke out into the meadow.  Then they brought out, that is in other words, their show team and out (___), that is in other words, the rest of their filming with their star and what not.  I know this because the team was the one that actually done the work. And I don’t know what the price was, but it seems to me that the price of the team—four horses and a wagon—was probably at that time less than ten dollars a day.  That is in other words, they broke it in, and I think they got a fifty dollar bonus, that is in other words, for breaking the road in.

HODGE: It must be tremendously hard then.

BOOKER: Well, if a team is in good shape, that is in other words, that they can stand, that is in other words, a little extra.  But they were working into about eighteen inches of snow by the time they got into Russian Meadows.  So, in other words, it was hard on them, but if a team is in good shape, it doesn’t tell on them.  But Frank Shelly would go around and tried to steal barley from the other teams.

HODGE: Oh dear.

BOOKER: He and Henry Beck got into it very strongly at this particular time.

HODGE: This movie called the Covered Wagon would provide entertainment even for us today. 

BOOKER: It is.

HODGE: What did you do for entertainment on long winter evenings out at the Booker Ranch?

BOOKER: Well, you had kerosene lamps, there was naturally school work that you had, that is in other words, with times of school. Will Shype, who was Anne Booker’s youngest son, was quite an auto mechanic.  He rigged up a Model T Ford generator, my dad had a six-inch Peloton water wheel, there was a reservoir of water on top of a hill with a part leading out of it.  Further pipe was added to it in the turn and from the reservoir to the point of the water wheel was about a forty foot drop.  The six-inch Peloton water wheel, as I recall, had a five vase of an inch Orpheus in it; but one six-inch Peloton water wheel in it.  Well, they used the piece of garden hose, that is in other words, as a coupler between eh peloton water wheel and the generator.  They used the, as I recall, it was much heavier than automotive wire—I would say probably a number ten wire for about, oh, about 150 feet up to the house where they had a six volt (__) sort of battery.  And then the house was wired with the lamp cord and special, not head light lamps, but screw-in light bulbs, that is in other words, up to, I would say, twenty candle power, maybe forty at the most, and t house was wired with two of these lights to each room.

HODGE: that was really unusual.

BOOKER: It was…

HODGE: What year was this?

BOOKER: Well, that was about 1922, 1923, up until…, in other words, it was…dad died in 1927, I don’t know how much the (___) family used it after that, but it was in use for a good four years. It beat the amount of light that a lamp would put out.  We didn’t have those reflectors on it, but two of the lights—one of these lamps would give you far more light, that is in other words, than a kerosene lamp would.  But then Will Shipe thought up a new radio, and in keeping there, that is in other words, the battery charge on that, and the dry cells that it used along with what we were able to get to radio stations, get good reception out of Salt Lake City.  Well, it was KMX out of Los Angeles, KFI out of Oakland, KSL out of Salt Lake, KGO out of San Francisco.  I don’t recall any station coming out of Oakland.

HODGE: The rest of Blanket Creek didn’t get electricity…

BOOKER: Oh no, no, no, no.  They were…it wasn’t until the late thirties or maybe even early forties before they started putting in electric power, that is in other words, out there.

Stranger speaking up: How about telephone?

BOOKER: Well, telephone, that is in other words, the present telephone system, the forerunner of that…I went out on the ranch and went to school in 1918.  And the farmer’s line, 36F, was in place at that time.  My dad was one of the instigators of it.  It was a one-wire system that started in at the present— where May Francis lives at the Francis home—tied into the present day Pacific Bell system, came out the first customer out of Sonora was at the Henry Sanguinity’s, would add on after the old original Sanguinity house as where Johnny and Henry and all of them were children.  Now, that was the first service.   Then next service was at Sullivan’s Creek to the Hess’s.  The next service went up, that is, to right across from Brawley’s Restaurant—the second Hess family—the house. It went up to the forks of the road…of the old Mono Road and to Phoenix Lake Road to the Davis House—the Davis family.  Then it went up to the Fayhee place above Phoenix Lake—that was the end of the line.  Then at Sullivan’s Creek the line branched.  It came out to the, well, the automotive shop is right across from, what is it, Villa Estes, or whatever that shop of Cowden development is in there where the minimart is. Hesse’s head of house there, and it hit McCulluck’s, I branched and went down to Harvey’s, Tinnen’s, not to Murphy’s.  Jim Garshel came in later years, and I don’t know whether Will Richards got—he was on the line—but I don’t remember whether he came in from Tinnen’s.  I think he came in from Tinnen’s.  Then it went up the road and it hit Charlie Myers, it hit Joe Bookers, Charlie Myers, Wablum’s, Charley’s French, and Berg, and my dad.  They was the original party line out there, and Jim Garshel came in and after my dad and got in on the line and maintained the line, that is, after my dad had passed away because my dad was pretty good at engineering and mechanics, but they had their one-wire line and my dad was always going back and forth to town with the wood contract, so he maintained the line pretty much, that is, on account of that.  But I know on several occasions, he got quite out when he found out what it was—that the line would go dead and they couldn’t get out and finally found out that my uncle Joe had out a break in the line up there, so when they wanted to go out, when they wanted a telephone, they’d cut off the rest of the line and the rest of the line back there couldn’t get any service.  And when he found that out, why, he took it out.  It was after my uncle Joe had passed away that he’d finally found out just what had happened.  Because they pulled the switch and they forgot to put it back on and he had a little test that he used…

HODGE: He played a trick on a woman.

BOOKER: Oh, well, the line finally went down to Burton Noland’s that I down from Will Richard’s Place which is where Miller Sydella lives now, or did before his passing.  And then there, well, this was amongst my dad and the Rablums, that is in other words, they got it up. But they could hear, that is in other words, an eavesdropper coming in on the phone, that is in other words, you could tell when a receiver would come up. They finally figures out who it might have been.  It was Mighty Nowland down at Burt Nowland’s mother, that is, down at the old Nowland place which Frank Nomyer owns now.  So they figured up some sort of little tale about her and they were talking amongst themselves and they sprung this on her.  She says, “It’s a damn lie and you know it.” (All laughing).  I don’t recall just what the words were, but anyhow, they had it worked up amongst them that they were going to do this. They do it, “it’s a damn lie and you know it.”  So, but they…actually in those times our particular ring was three-long, two-short.  Tennan’s was one-long-and-one-short.  Rabrin’s, I forget.  Charlie Smangeborg—you very seldom ever heard his.  His mother lived with him.  He was a bachelor at that particular time, but his mother lived with him and they raised goats up on the shelf of Booker Mountain.  But the McCalluck boys, one of the McCalluck’s and Shaw—(___) Shaw—that is have today. I have seen, that is in other words, Charlie Spanginbergh take a twenty –rod quirel of wire and on the fence line that he was putting in at that time start at the base of the steepest part of the Booker Mountain and go clear to the top of it without stopping.

HODGE: Oh my. Got stamina.

BOOKER: He did. He was a German, but boy, he had the stamina and he made it.

HODGE: Booker Mountain was named for your family?

BOOKER: yeah, it was the area that was…it’s on some maps, and on some maps it is not; but, well, from there they use it today, that is in other words, it’s just a landmark today. That is in other words, all the presence in this particular area here, that had been taken from the top of Booker Mountain.  There’s another one over here, that is in other words, behind where the motor shop is over there—the truck repair shop—the big one right on Tuolumne Road.  There’s a point right there that they shot down in here to get this, oh, Starwalt shot that in the um…

HODGE: I see. Mr. Booker, Morgan Chapel of the Methodist Church out at Blanket Creek, do you recall going there occasionally as a child or any special events…

BOOKER: Well, I remember, that is in other words, it was quite small, when my mother was still alive I remember, that is in other words, once they had a camp meeting yup, that is, in front of where Albert lives, and they had another one that they called a camp meeting that is down at the Morgan Chapel.  That one I don’t recall too much of because it was before, that is in other words, that one that they had up the hill. I don’t know why, that is in other words, they went up to the old Blanket Creek School suite, except that it was evidentially more…a little more open around there at that particular time, and they didn’t have the water down there, but they had the well that was up there at Albert’s.  In every area that they’d have a good spring that would form…that would produce water, generally had a watering trough around there and whoever owned the property could make maybe ten dollars a year supplying water in the watering tank.  This is an incident, that is in other words, that I have recollection to.  I don’t know; I never went in it, I never saw it, but I know, that is in other words, that it’s there because of the amount of dirt that was taken out of the hole had to be that across, that is in other words, from Mormon’s place where they get the water up there, the spring up at the borderline of the property there.  They pick up the water.  I don’t know whether they have a well there or not, but there is a tunnel up in there.  But they went back in there about twenty or thirty feet to try to dry up one of the springs up there at the old school house and what not.  It never caved in, but evidentially Dad went and inspected it and he’d never done anything about it, but, that is in other words, that there is, or was, tunneling back under there where we picked the water up. But, I know this, that is in other words, that part of the property that I deeded to my grandson, Jimmy, and my oldest boy, that is, Leslie in Sacramento, had a homestead of my aunt, Clara Maggenedy, that is in other words, where the old house was there that it was literally was a kind of a Sobby that was built in there, that is in other words, it is a homestead place.  That is, it’s out in the opening area, that is in other words, a person still see the results of it.  They should build a strong coral to keep livestock.  The coral—the outline of it is still there.  It needs a lot of work on it, but it would still hold down.  There’s actually…

HODGE: Did you go to church there?

BOOKER: Mother used to hold Sunday school there.  Periodically, that is in other words, in my time, that is in other words, Dad would go over to go to church there and Sunday school.  Not too many time, but, Oh, I would say in the period of from 1918-1927, probably about four or five times that we have gone over there. It was—in later years—it was used, that is in other words, more or less a kind of community meeting place.  I don’t know what the organization was, but I would say it would be a forerunner of the present-day farm bureau.  Whoever was in the Ag Commissioners office before the time of Mr. Sherard was instrumental, that is, in having a farmer’s organization.  And when he left, Sherard took over, that is in other words, Sherard came into the area. But they had a farmer’s organization.  Primarily, it was to get water into the particular area.  They had extensive surveys, that is in other words, when I say survey it would be, say, two or three people walking an area with maybe a compass.  I don’t think they had an aneroid for a barometer for elevation.  But they would kind of walk an area and they were going to pick up water somewhere, that I in other words, they can walk up as far as Brown’s Meadows as a dam sight.  And that would have been, that is in to her words, it must have been before 1920s, that is in other words, somebody had said, that is in other words, there was a drainage ditch, as my dad called it, that is, across the Ball Hill up there.  I don’t know, you can probably still see it. But they said that; but my dad always spoke with that with more or less as drains to stop erosion.  And he took it around into the growth over there or back into a wooded area there; but that is to take and stop the erosion from coming off of that hill up there, because it did start to erode in a couple of places and he stopped that erosion—especially out there where the offset is in the fence line in there. Now, that particular road—this is before the days of my dad or about the time my dad and mother got married—that particular road went on the other side of the fence in front of your house. 

HODGE: Oh, I think you can still see through it there.

BOOKER: Oh, you can still see that.  But do you know why that was done? Because (_____) Red Minners were the ones to change the right of way to stop travel through there, but actually…

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HODGE: ...in those days in your childhood, it was such a long distance form Sonora and obviously the phone service wasn’t too reliable how did you…

BOOKER: Well, generally things were taken care of, that is in other words, if there was a child had come it was a case of a midwife.  Miney Noland was literally a midwife and I think she was in care of mother, that is in other words, when my sister was born.  Today they call it childbed fever that is the result of asepto Cecilia, blood poisoning, whatever the case may be.  That is, they had different names for different cases as they had developed.  But they relied a lot on home remedies in those days. If you had a fever, you took the full-blown elderberry blossoms, steep the tea out of it, two or three cups of tea, and you break you fever. 

HODGE: Must have done the job. 

BOOKER: It did.  It did.  I’d taken it, and it would break a fever alright.  But you take the full-blown elderberry blossoms and dry them, put them in a can, keep them…

HODGE: Must have been a few years in the hospital.

BOOKER: yeah I…well, at the time my mother was…my sister was born, I spent, oh, I can’t say how long, but I spent time in Chinese Camp.  There I contracted double malaria.  I remember, that is on other words, Bob Edwards drove a Model T Ford a drove my mother, that is in other words, my dad and myself, that is in other words, down to Stockton.  A short while after that—after mother passed away—I still went back down to Chinese camp at the Cavanero Fam…I’m trying to think of the party’s name.  Hollenbet lived in the place there at Chinese Camp where the Cavanero Family had at that particular time.  But my mother passed away in Stockton.  She was under the treatments of…let’s see, what is it? I’m trying to think…was it a doctor pluck? But anyhow, in other words, that is where she passed away.  But I spent about…I must have spent pretty close to a years at the Brownley Sanitarium with the malaria.  I looked like a piece of saphernt cake with the amount of whinine that they fed me.  But finally my dad, that is in other words, leased a ranch out and he took me to Oakland, to my aunt Angie’s-well…Oakland-Berekely right along the side of each other on the border of Oakland and Berkeley.  And there was a Chinese doctor by the name of Dr. Wong Hem on Webster Street in Oakland.  And when he saw me he says, “I can treat you.” But he says, “My boy (another Dr. Wong Hem), he’s a graduate at the University of California.  He can treat you either Chinese treatment with herbs or he can treat you as an American medical doctor.”  So my dad took me over there.  He took over every day for six weeks—taking the herb treatments.  In three months I came back on the Fourth of July to Sonora and I have never had a touch of malaria since.

HODGE: Wonderful. Was malaria a common ail mate?

BOOKER: Well, it was because it was mosquito transmitted.  Well, there’s one of the thing that stopped, you know, had problems in the Panama Canal. But Chinese Camp at that time was full of little prospect holes where they dug for gold and most of the gold, you know, the water would accumulate and with water in stagnant holes, the mosquitoes were prolific.  Now, that is in other words, those same holes just nothing but little rolling hills.  There is no place for a pot of water.  But that’s the thing, that is in other words, with the malaria—if you’ve got stagnant water, why, that’s when malaria become pertinent.

HODGE: I see.

BOOKER: You can even get malaria out of your garden here if it comes right down to it if you use too much water on gardens and what not.

HODGE: Mr. Booker, we thank you for your contribution to Tuolumne County’s Oral History program, and I think we are all on the (____) for all of the information that you have given us today.

BOOKER: Well, a person can keep talking about various things, that is in other words, what’s amusing, that is in other words, how things can become disoriented through time.  I remember in one specific occasion, at the time that the bridge was being built down here at Jim Garsoles, a fellow in the name of Parsons was a contractor.  Dad was working on it.  Whether he walked back and forth from here to, you know…

HODGE: To the bridge?

BOOKER: …to work on the bridge or not, I don’t know, but I do remember mother hooking up the horse and buggy and I was just a little shaver before.  Of course, it was mother and I.  That was before my sister was born, so it had to be before 1915 when they built that bridge and we parked, at least, tied the horse up, that is, above the present water that goes out and take care of that area and that was a long ways down to that bridge in those days.

HODGE: It still is.

BOOKER: But now it’s just a hoop and holler.

HODGE: It’s still very picturesque.

BOOKER: But one of these days they’ll have to widen that bridge. 

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 General Information:

Interviewer: Booker, Robert

Interviewee: Black, Agnes

Name of Tape: Blanket Creek (booker_r_1)

When: 1988

Transcriber: Ariella (11/25/08)